Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp93750oay; Tue, 15 May 2012 01:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.86.5 with SMTP id l5mr27755704wiz.6.1337069873721; Tue, 15 May 2012 01:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. [212.85.158.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w2si21947529wew.118.2012.05.15.01.17.53; Tue, 15 May 2012 01:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org designates 212.85.158.146 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.85.158.146; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org designates 212.85.158.146 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Received: by alamut.mageia.org (Postfix, from userid 486) id 1FA91445E9; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:17:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alamut.mageia.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C05B445E9 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:17:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mageia.org Authentication-Results: alamut.mageia.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Received: from alamut.mageia.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (alamut.mageia.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id GB3NN-0ryc0G for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:17:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com (mail-wg0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by alamut.mageia.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D2944576 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:17:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wgbfm10 with SMTP id fm10so6175552wgb.34 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 01:17:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=gCAKThIqg986+V+pbbyEOdV+KcCoT5vmNuG4mS1Mw3E=; b=t/UA0DskVBwWibW6QQTczFNVAU2lSKNpTHd8Ptp6tPjsMyo3fsW3ZADauK+dgaQEQy ZRfRpSe4WXeNzQEu3+GZJPvA3dRMUf6cOSNCqhq5MPhtDiRiHgzBgZdg4nvu8GIQJuav f4mnour1lLvtD86Z+H69TMq/7jP0rBh7yJ2UXNvzTvC+BxfHjIUtq9iswqIVGaBo2Qx0 6cclEk0TwZjBjh2treVGkjRY+FgkbzY2rnfJjCFevT5RajVowk5ncCViKKLJFTjUXfFi MY6xIiUi5ygtDRr3mbmWYhCeylVLr7XYI+xVuouy/+0eOXEEqwvMJV+V7An8Vx+7RXac rL3w== Received: by 10.180.24.39 with SMTP id r7mr27716976wif.9.1337069868290; Tue, 15 May 2012 01:17:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.13.143 with HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 01:17:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120514224106.GF21938@mars-attacks.org> References: <4FB16CC3.7020309@gmail.com> <4FB16DF6.2050001@googlemail.com> <4FB16E9C.7020903@gmail.com> <4FB17214.7010501@googlemail.com> <20120514212033.GE21938@mars-attacks.org> <20120514224106.GF21938@mars-attacks.org> From: "Romain d'Alverny" Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:17:18 +0200 Message-ID: To: nicolas vigier Cc: board-private@ml.mageia.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [board-private] News from Mandriva X-Loop: board-private@ml.mageia.org X-Sequence: 38 Errors-to: board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: board-private-request@ml.mageia.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:41 AM, nicolas vigier wrote: > I think we should not wait for people to raise questions about this, or > it will be too late. When the announce of Mageia was done, I have seen > a lot of people comparing Mandriva/Mageia with RedHat/Fedora, although > the announcement was quite clear that it is not the same. > > If we don't explain this clearly and don't insist on it, a lot of people > will immediately think it is the same as RedHat/Fedora, or that Mandriva > and Mageia will merge. If the very news we announce is "we're not Fedora/Redhat", people will associate this to us anyway (because asking immediately "why not?"). What I mean is that we have to be super clear and short about what the news will be, from our side; and it must be a single message, so people can remember it for what it is (and not for what it's not). - "Welcome, Mandriva, seriously" - "Mandriva joins Mageia for its server product" - "Mandriva uses Mageia for its server product" - we don't have a different name for the project and for the product (that would have been more clear to say that Mandriva was going to use and customize X as a platform for their server, while just being a contributor to project Y, whose governance is left unchanged). - "Mageia will stay as it is, no change to governance" - "A new Mageia-based/derivative corporate product on its way" Or, we can be super neutral, like saying: "cool, there's a new company using our technology for its products". And yes, we need to prepare the Q/A session after, but I don't think we should include it in the very release, if the release is short and clear enough. We must be especially careful, because there's a second announcement pending from Mandriva (and which may be announced first actually, tomorrow - Anne will send another mail about it), that's the foundation of their own Mandriva Linux community entity (likely a foundation, or so they say) and we will have to react to it as well and explain why (and this one will need to have a short as well title, plus a clear, limited rationale). And depending on the timing, people may confuse the two announcements - best for us, I believe, would be that they announce their foundation first. Let's not forget the bottom line of all this, that's utterly positive in my view: - Mandriva is going to use Mageia as a technology platform; - we're going to have to think, discuss and take a stance in regard of their foundation project.